lvales 9 hours ago

Building a shell is a great exercise, but honestly having to deal with string parsing is such a bother that it robs like 2/3 of the joy along the way. I once built a very simple one in Go [0] as a learning exercise and I stopped once I started getting frustrated with all the corner cases.

[0] https://github.com/lourencovales/codecrafters/blob/master/sh...

  • chubot 4 hours ago

    A common problem I noticed is that if you took certain courses in computer science, you may have a pre-conceived notion of how to parse programming languages, and the shell language doesn't quite fit that model

    I have seen this misconception many times

    In Oils, we have some pretty minor elaborations of the standard model, and it makes things a lot easier

    How to Parse Shell Like a Programming Language - https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2019/02/07.html

    Everything I wrote there still holds, although that post could use some minor updates (and OSH is the most bash-compatible shell, and more POSIX-compatible than /bin/sh on Debian - e.g. https://pages.oils.pub/spec-compat/2025-11-02/renamed-tmp/sp... )

    ---

    To summarize that, I'd say that doing as much work as possible in the lexer, with regular languages and "lexer modes", drastically reduces the complexity of writing a shell parser

    And it's not just one parser -- shell actually has 5 to 15 different parsers, depending on how you count

    I often show this file to make that point: https://oils.pub/release/0.37.0/pub/src-tree.wwz/_gen/_tmp/m...

    (linked from https://oils.pub/release/0.37.0/quality.html)

    Fine-grained heterogenous algebraic data types also help. Shells in C tend to use a homogeneous command* and word* kind of representation

    https://oils.pub/release/0.37.0/pub/src-tree.wwz/frontend/sy... (~700 lines of type definitions)

  • healeycodes 8 hours ago

    Author here, and yeah, I agree. I skipped writing a parser altogether and just split on whitespace and `|` so that I could get to the interesting bits.

    For side-projects, I have to ask myself if I'm writing a parser, or if I'm building something else; e.g. for a toy programming language, it's way more fun to start with an AST and play around, and come back to the parser if you really fall in love with it.

  • ferguess_k 6 hours ago

    Can say the same for control characters in terminals. I even think maybe it's just easier to ditch them all and use QT to build a "terminal" with clickable urls, something similar to what TempleOS does.

wei03288 6 hours ago

The pipe section is the part that changes how you think about processes. Once you've manually done the dup2 dance — close write-end in parent, close read-end in child, wire them up — it stops being magic and starts being obvious why `grep | sort | uniq` works at all. The thing that surprised me building a similar toy was how late in the process job control has to come: you can get a working pipe chain surprisingly fast, and then job control (SIGTSTP, tcsetpgrp, the whole mess) costs 5x more than everything else combined.

  • chubot 4 hours ago

    Yup, job control is a huge mess. I think Bill Joy was able to modify the shell, the syscall interface, and the terminal driver at the same time to implement the hacky mechanism of job control. But a few years later that kind of crosscutting change would have been harder

    One thing we learned from implementing job control in https://oils.pub is that the differing pipeline semantics of bash and zsh makes a difference

    In bash, the last part of the pipeline is forked (unless shopt -s lastpipe)

    In zsh, it isn't

        $ bash -c 'echo hi | read x; echo $x'  # no output
              
        $ zsh -c 'echo hi | read x; echo $x'
        hi
    
    And then that affects this case:

        bash$ sleep 5 | read
        ^Z
        [1]+  Stopped                 sleep 5 | read
    
    
        zsh$ sleep 5 | read    # job control doesn't apply to this case in zsh
        ^Zzsh: job can't be suspended
    
    
    So yeah the semantics of shell are not very well specified (which is one reason for OSH and YSH). I recall a bug running an Alpine Linux shell script where this difference matters -- if the last part is NOT forked, then the script doesn't run

    I think there was almost a "double bug" -- the script relied on the `read` output being "lost", even though that was likely not the intended behavior

  • sloum an hour ago

    Yes!! This!! I wrote a shell awhile back and was pretty happy with it... but could _not_ get job control to work quite right. It was a big pain.

mzs 8 hours ago

Had an assignment to build a shell in a week, how hard could it be?

  controlling terminal
  session leader
  job control
The parser was easy in comparison.
lasgawe 2 hours ago

Great article. There are many things every developer should do when starting to learn programming or when trying to improve their skills. This is one of them. I once built a shell-like programming language (not an interpreter). If anyone reading this wants to improve their skills, I strongly suggest building your own shell from scratch.

hexer303 5 hours ago

Unix shells are conceptually simple but hide a surprising amount of complexity under the hood that we take for granted. I recently had build my own PTY controller. There were so many edge-cases to deal with. It took weeks of stress testing and writing many tests to get it right.

doe88 2 hours ago

Is there a (real) shell whose code is relatively short and self contained and would be valuable to read? This was always something I wanted to do but never quite spent time to look for a good one to explore.

  • giancarlostoro 2 hours ago

    Although not the same... Destroy All Software has videos on building your own shell using Ruby. I watched it to learn and it was a lot of fun to watch him basically building a shell, I'm not really a Ruby guy, but it was easy to grasp. It's not free, you would need a subscription, but its worth the watch otherwise.

    https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/screencasts/catalog/shell...

  • epr 2 hours ago

    I think there's a good one if you search around for "xv6 sh.c". Hard to tell immediately from a google search just now since there are many implementations (people do it in school) and github's currently blocking requests from my phone.

    Also helpful may be running strace on your shell, then reviewing the output line by line to make sure you understand each. This is a VERY instructive exercise to do in general.

zokier 9 hours ago

Bit of pedantry but I don't think traditional unix shell (like this) follows repl model; the shell is not usually doing printing of the result of evaluation. Instead the printing happens more as a side effect of the commands.

  • jermaustin1 8 hours ago

    I remember my first shell programming I ever did was batch in windows back in the 3.11/95 days.

    The first line was always to turn off echo, and I've always wondered why that was a decision for batch script. Or I'm misremembering. 30 years of separation makes it hard to remember the details.

    • enoint 7 hours ago

      Echo in that case prints command lines before executing them. Its analog is `set -x` rather than `echo`.

  • skydhash 7 hours ago

    It’s a shell, not the whole thing. The whole thing is the shell+kernel+programs.

dirk94018 5 hours ago

Interesting. I wanted to do toast | bash to let the AI drive the computer but the bash shell really got in the way. Too much complexity. The things that annoy humans, $ expansion, special characters, etc don't work for AI either. Ended up writing a custom shell for AI (and humans). When a tool gets in the way, sometimes it just time to change the tool.

austy69 7 hours ago

Fun read. Wonder if you are able to edit text in the shell, or if you need to implement a gap buffer to allow it?

  • healeycodes 7 hours ago

    Editing the current line works because I brought in https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/readline.3.html towards the end so I could support editing, tab completion, and history.

    IIRC readline uses a `char *` internally since the length of a user-edited line is fairly bounded.

    • zokier an hour ago

      worth noting that you get basic line editing for "free" from kernels tty subsystem even if you don't use readline.

    • austy69 6 hours ago

      Very cool. Currently working on the beginning of a small text editor so this part seemed interesting and was curious of any overlap. Thanks for the interesting post!

hristian 8 hours ago

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  • jmmv 8 hours ago

    Somebody blamed this comment on LLMs, and maybe/probably it is, but I think the first sentence is spot-on so I thought it was worth replying to.

    Dealing with the corner cases ends up teaching you a lot about a language and for an ancient language like the shell, dealing with the corner cases also takes you through the thinking process of the original authors and the constraints they were subject to. I found myself in this situation while writing EndBASIC and wrote an article with the surprises I encountered, because I found the journey fascinating: https://www.endbasic.dev/2023/01/endbasic-parsing-difficulti...

  • gf000 8 hours ago

    Not sure it tells all that much about 'how the OS works'. This is a historical abstraction that happened to look how it looks today with all its numerous warts and shortcomings.

    We can easily imagine it done a better way - for all the criticism of Windows, PowerShell gives a glimpse into this hypothetical future.

  • Retr0id 8 hours ago

    Fascinating that you resurrected an account from 2014 just for LLM spam, were the credentials compromised or something?

    • IncreasePosts 8 hours ago

      Maybe the author had it logged into something that their claw had access to