davidschof 10 hours ago

Their senior solution architect vacancy has similar pay: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/about/our-people/careers...

Somewhat less eminent job title though.

  • riffraff 10 hours ago

    I would love to have "Stonehenge architect" as a job title.

    • gosub100 43 minutes ago

      Monolithic codebase though

    • oaiey 9 hours ago

      They really miss out on opportunities here.

  • sgt 5 hours ago

    > We offer flexible working arrangements where the role allows. This role can be based at our offices in Swindon, or worked on a hybrid pattern. You will be required to attend our Swindon offices 1 day per week.

    Pretty decent flexibility though.

  • vanuatu 9 hours ago

    that is abysmal!

    • Ndymium 8 hours ago

      As a Finnish dev with 12 years of experience, I can only aspire for such salary.

      • ksec 8 hours ago

        Are you serious? Sarcasm Don't translate well on internet.

        • IshKebab 8 hours ago

          He's serious. American programming salaries are an extreme outlier. You guys are in for a massive shock if they ever normalise.

          • sph 31 minutes ago

            Comparing US and European salaries is the closest thing to comparing apples to oranges.

          • monkey_monkey 6 hours ago

            Or in the next few years as AI devours the profession.

    • eterm 9 hours ago

      That's a fairly standard wage outside London for senior developers.

      UK wages are not great.

      • siva7 8 hours ago

        i wouldn't call that standard wage, rather the lowest end of the spectrum where you could theoretically shop a "senior" outside of london.

        • n4r9 7 hours ago

          Median senior dev salary is £70k according to recent job postings: https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/senior%20developer.do

          • eterm 7 hours ago

            And that includes London, it lists "excluding London" as £65k.

            People overestimate how much senior devs in the UK earn, even after knowing they're not well paid, my usual response to hearing we should be earning £90k+ is, "well give us a job then"!

            • sgt 6 hours ago

              A friend is making about £180k / yr in London, and they bought a house recently in London. I think that's a lot, and his wife also makes a similar amount, slightly more. That seems to be the minimum, otherwise you're a renter for life. Pretty nuts.

              • sobiolite a minute ago

                London property is expensive, but £180k is a lot more than the "minimum". I am on half that, and I managed to buy.

              • stuaxo 3 hours ago

                Outside of Finance that's high for London.

              • uxcolumbo 5 hours ago

                As a senior dev?

                What sector?

                • sgt 4 hours ago

                  A product lead/architect in Finance.

      • dwroberts 5 hours ago

        The balancing force to this though, is that cost of living outside of London is massively lower

    • yzydserd 9 hours ago

      Maybe you missed the “25% discount in our shops and cafes” perk for the day you need to be in the office. Score.

    • marysol5 7 hours ago

      Wait till you see UK wages, when it's the UK arm of a US firm....

    • blitzar 8 hours ago

      wait till you hear about the stock grants and vesting schedule

      • shalmanese 8 hours ago

        Be warned though, the equity you are granted will be exceedingly illiquid.

        • londons_explore 6 hours ago

          And you'll have to pay taxes on it despite it being unsellable.

          Screw those things up, and those taxes will bankrupt you because they can exceed all your other earnings.

ggm 10 hours ago

* Must be proficient in use of mistletoe in unspecified rituals.

* Must provide own sickle, and robes.

SLHamlet 9 hours ago

RE Your predecessor

No one knows who he was, or what he was doing.

But his legacy remains hewn in the HR dock of Stonehenge.

  • nDRDY 7 hours ago

    Some say he was let go after a design error lead to some dwarves kicking over the first stonehenge.

bobmcnamara 23 minutes ago

Experience?

I'm the head of pebble hedge!

VikingCoder 34 minutes ago

Does this seem like a Netflix show to anyone else?

tekchip 8 hours ago

"From £64,189 p.a. depending on skills and experience"

I maintained a collection of well organized rocks as a child. Surely that gets me a bit more than base pay right?

  • fergie 7 hours ago

    Must be a rockstar

    • Lio 5 hours ago

      There's got to be a way to shoehorn in a Spinal Tap reference here, I just haven't had enough coffee yet to think of it.

      • philipwhiuk 5 hours ago

        The height of the stones goes to 13!

  • stinkbeetle 7 hours ago

    I'm afraid that won't even get a foot in the door in this market. You must have at least 5 years experience managing Salisbury megaliths to meet the selection criteria.

    • blitzar 6 hours ago

      even if you grind lots of leet-stone problems?

rpaddock 3 hours ago

In the fall of 2023 I tried to visit Stonehenge. We arrived at 15:15 local time.

I was riding in the passenger seat.

There was a male and female police officer standing at the side of the road, beside a "Road Closed" sign blocking the entrance.

The male police officer came to my window and started yelling in my face:

"We are closed!! Come back another day!!!"

I knew it would be pointless to argue with this a-hole and there was no other day in my schedule that we could come back. So we left and never got to see it.

Do these old rocks get tired at three in the afternoon or what?

I'll be sending this Head of Stonehenge an email about the experiance...

  • pnut an hour ago

    Sounds like VIP/head of state visit and terrible communication skills.

madrox 10 hours ago

Building a henge, are we?

  • kombookcha 9 hours ago

    You bastards, you never told me 200 miles. 200 miles in this day and age! I don't even know where I live now!

    • madrox 8 hours ago

      I wish the Christians would hurry up and get here

      • kombookcha 7 hours ago

        God, I had that entire Dress To Kill show loaded up on my old timey mp3-player along with Definite Article, Glorious and Sexie. Barely any room for music, but I was giggling my way through every day trying not to look too insane in public.

        Izzard probably rewired my brain more than any other single comedian.

  • curtisblaine 8 hours ago

    Technically Stonehenge is not an henge (even the term henge comes from Stonehenge)

    > Ironically, even though Stonehenge has an earthwork circle around it (the earliest phase of the monument), it isn’t officially a ‘proper’ henge, as the main ditch is external to the main bank. It has to make do with being a ‘proto-henge’.

    https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/inspire-me/what-is...

flurdy an hour ago

Ask one of the Ylvis brothers

chicagojoe 9 hours ago

I was slightly disappointed when I first visited Stonehenge as the standard tours keep you fairly far away and roped off.

But, I took a modestly more expensive "Inner Stones" tour a few months ago and lucked out being selected to be fully alone for a minute. It was a profound experience being in the middle of such a historic place.

Highly, highly recommended!

  • laurencerowe 9 hours ago

    Best of all go during the summer solstice when there is free public access. It’s really quite fun.

    During the the 1980s and ‘90s there were regular clashes between new age hippies and police stopping them from reaching Stonehenge during summer solstice before public access was allowed.

  • madaxe_again 7 hours ago

    I highly recommend avebury, about 20 minutes down the road. Absolutely enormous megalithic complex, huge man-made hill, and you can just wander where you wish, go hug a menhir, whatever you fancy - and there’s hardly ever more than a handful of other people there. Oh and it’s free.

    • TheOtherHobbes 7 hours ago

      You must have gone at a quiet time. Avebury can be absolutely heaving in the Summer and on the traditional pagan quarter days.

      It also has a pub, a restaurant, a gift shop, a museum founded by a marmalade magnate, and if you're really rich you can buy one of the houses inside the circle.

      Generally a happier experience than Stonehenge.

      If megalithic rocks are your thing there's also the nearby West Kennet Longbarrow, which is far more likely to be deserted, especially at night, although if you go on the quarter days (nights) you'll probably meet weirdly-dressed people lighting candles and throwing spells around.

      • jbaber 4 hours ago

        West Kennet Longbarrow's also appropriately spooky. I've been there with people too scared to stay inside.

mattoxic 9 hours ago

I would have thought you'd need to be a druid

xtorol 10 hours ago

Due to a typo in the paperwork sent to HR by the hiring manager, they are only paying 64,189 pence. The director was last heard chastising HR, saying "It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."

faangguyindia 10 hours ago

i know quite a few dev ops and frontend guys who were employed for last 4 years and are now driving taxi in india.

throw310822 8 hours ago

Better than Head of Easter Island.

onion2k 9 hours ago

"If I get the role, what will my budget for repairs be?"

  • manarth 3 hours ago

    Don't forget the twice-a-year realignment when the clocks change for daylight saving

zuzululu 10 hours ago

really wish i keot my british passport

readthenotes1 10 hours ago

"Job type Permanent"

I bet they enjoyed typing that in.

"5,000 years+ -- depends on you"

Might be another option if it were freeform text

russellbeattie 10 hours ago

I caught a live stream of Stonehenge during this past Winter Solstice (it was cloudy, naturally) and the streamer provided a bit of trivia that I hadn't heard before:

George Washington's English ancestors, specifically Sir Lawrence Washington, were the owners of the West Amesbury Estate in Wiltshire, England, which included the land where the ancient Stonehenge monument sits. (Via Google)

If you hadn't that before, welcome to the "Huh, that's a funny coincidence" club.

  • hdgvhicv 8 hours ago

    Rich people have lots of descenders who tend to be rich.

    Washington was a wealthy landowner in the British Empire, hardly surprising his ancestors were wealthy landowners.

  • robotresearcher 7 hours ago

    What’s it a coincidence with?

    • marysol5 7 hours ago

      "Rich man had a rich family, how queer"

  • lifestyleguru 6 hours ago

    Land owners also had married within family so I you checked their family tree two persons could be simultaneously spouses and cousins. That's a coincidence!

Mistletoe 10 hours ago

Honestly feels like a dream job. Imagine your ancestors smiling down on you if you are from Britain or just human.

  • kijin 9 hours ago

    Considering the location, I would imagine that the ancestors prefer to haunt the barrows at night. Still a dream job if that's your thing. Just watch out for the occasional Nazgûl. :)

_alternator_ 11 hours ago

On the front page? LLMs got lots of us programmers dreaming of leaving the profession, I suppose.

  • tyre 10 hours ago

    Is this not super cool regardless? Even if you love tech, was a fun little gem.

celsius1414 10 hours ago

Missed opportunity to say they’re ‘looking for a rock star to lead our team!’

  • peebee67 10 hours ago

    They pretty much are, too. It certainly reads like some tech job ads. Rock star with 30 years experience. Graduate wages.

  • samplatt 9 hours ago

    Tasks include: looking at rocks, stars.

  • laszlojamf 10 hours ago

    "a solid leader who can carry the weight of our massive responsibility"

  • chappi42 9 hours ago

    They don't look for rock stars. English heritage wants ideology:

    "You can connect with others through our EDI networks as a member or ally. These include Ethnic Diversity, Faith & Belief, Social Equity, LGBTQ+, Neurodivergence, Age, Disability and Gender Health and Wellbeing."

    (Should have mentioned Talibans, handy to blow up misplaced stones)

    • marysol5 7 hours ago

      Are you ok?

      • chappi42 7 hours ago

        What do you mean?

        • applfanboysbgon 3 hours ago

          Going off on unprompted rambling about 'woke ideology' and the Taliban in response to a random pun makes you appear, to observers, deeply mentally unwell.

    • kitd 8 hours ago

      Why is that ideology?

      • chappi42 7 hours ago

        DEI, "woke ideology". It is not ideology in a strict sense.

        • kitd 4 hours ago

          True. I'd say "anti-DEI" is the real ideology.

pants2 11 hours ago

Sounds like a very cool job, and not sure about the UK job market, but seems to be wildly underpaid for the qualifications!

  • kristianc 9 hours ago

    This, shockingly, is actually quite well paid considering for the UK.

    Lead Data Scientist for the UK Government is currently advertising for a salary of £57,670 - £67,500.

    https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jobs.cgi?jco...

  • kaonwarb 10 hours ago

    Not disagreeing, but it's also worth something to know, and say, that you are in charge of Stonehenge.

    • sva_ 10 hours ago

      Must be an extraordinary honor to be in charge of a bunch of rocks over there.

      • cyclopeanutopia 9 hours ago

        Wait until you learn some people are swapping bits all day long, isn't that crazy?

        • kefabean 8 hours ago

          I call them Bit Shepherds

  • loeg 10 hours ago

    This is like a 90th percentile UK salary.

    • marysol5 7 hours ago

      In reality, because the "salaries" higher than this aren't paying in PAYE.

      • zipy124 an hour ago

        no. Most UK income statistics are based on total taxable income, not salary.

      • bdavbdav 4 hours ago

        I’m not sure that’s strictly true. I think you’ve got to go a long way up the salary ladder until you’re in a situation where you can command more complicated arrangements (certainly when working for larger companies)

  • YZF 10 hours ago

    36 hours per week. 25 days vacation (going to 28). Pension contributions. You can buy extra leave. Epic location, fun job, decent salary for the UK (where e.g. you don't pay for healthcare)...

    • robotresearcher 7 hours ago

      You do pay for healthcare, from the taxes on that salary.

      • marysol5 7 hours ago

        Fun fact, so do Americans, just they don't get the service for it!

    • Tepix 8 hours ago

      Yeah, the 25 days of vacation are a bit disappointing, in Germany 30 days are standard.

      • tikkabhuna 8 hours ago

        Is that including or excluding bank holidays? In the UK, 25 days excluding the 8 bank holidays is pretty standard.

  • ascorbic 8 hours ago

    This is a decent salary for a heritage job. It is a very poorly-paid sector. On building sites with archaeological excavations, the person driving the digger is likely to be paid more than the archaeologists, who probably have postgraduate degrees.

  • jrflo 9 hours ago

    I'm not in the UK, but from what I understand that's actually decent. US salaries, particularly in tech, are wildly higher than in most of Europe.

    • oaiey 9 hours ago

      UK tech salaries are also not high. And 64k pounds for a history and/or business major is quite right. Do not forget also: history is a overrun study with many people afterwards driving taxis

  • techterrier 10 hours ago

    this isnt all that *bad for something in the conservation / heritage / ngo sector

    edit: *obviously its not a wonderful salary, but for the sector....well I've seen worse.

  • moomin 8 hours ago

    The charity sector rarely pays well.

  • swarnie 10 hours ago

    Just a smidge over $63k after tax and before gibbs.

    The job market over here is shocking.

    • loeg 10 hours ago

      This is equivalent to $85,700 USD, not $63k.

      • theodric 10 hours ago

        Read it again. $63k after tax and before "gibbs" i.e. government-provided social distributions.

        • hdgvhicv 8 hours ago

          63k after tax in the us is about 86k before tax, so about the same.

          Although in the us you have to pay for healthcare on top of that.

          • marysol5 7 hours ago

            You pay for a private healthcare plan, and the US government pays tax money to the same healthcare companies to prop up the system.

    • dismalaf 10 hours ago

      Lol in Canada 64,000 pounds = $120K CAD which would put you in the 92nd income percentile.

  • y-curious 10 hours ago

    Especially considering minimum wage “salary” in the UK is ~24k GBP, 64k is nothing imo. They call it the “wage squeeze”

    • UnfitFootprint 10 hours ago

      Average full time salary is 40k GBP. It’s +50% on the average which seems right for a non profit organisation in a non exec role

      • jacknews 9 hours ago

        It is a leadership role though.

        I don't know how many staff there are, but it's surely one of EH's most important locations.

    • laurencerowe 8 hours ago

      The UK has had substantially less wage inequality than the US for a long time. The UK “wage squeeze” is median/minimum wage which has gone from the 1/3 to 2/3 since ~2000 as the minimum wage has been raised. But the relevant difference here would be around 90th percentile/median which is 1.85 in UK vs 2.4 in US and even higher in California.

      • hdgvhicv 8 hours ago

        And over time the ratio is similar - 90%ile about 1.9 times median for the last 30 years.

    • loeg 10 hours ago

      This is like 90th percentile UK salary. It's good pay for the UK, a poor country.

      • gbro3n 10 hours ago

        The UK is still the 5th biggest economy in the world. Public infrastructure feels like it's under huge strain however, and there is also a big problem with inequality, which seems to be changing under Labour, albeit slowly.

        • somenameforme 10 hours ago

          Raw economy size can be misleading in two ways. The value of a dollar is much less or much more depending on where you're at. So an economy of 10 shekels might mean an economy of 100 widgets, or it might mean an economy of 1 widget. Purchasing power parity (PPP) attempts to account for that. The second is that economies are largely a product of population. An economy of a million making a million shekels is quite a bit different than an economy of 10 making a million shekels, so you also want to look at per capita values. Even both of these adjustments combined [1] can be extremely misleading (see: Ireland and many other places...), but they provide at least a less unreasonable basis for comparison than nominal dollars. And the UK is currently 30th there.

          [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

          • leoedin 4 hours ago

            I think GDP per capita can also be misleading though - the GDP per capita of Luxembourg or Brunei is high, but they're such small countries that it's kind of irrelevant.

            Setting aside the special cases (tiny, oil money, weird finance sectors, tax havens etc) there's basically a handful of countries which are clearly doing something right - the US, Taiwan, the north-eastern European countries (Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden). Most of the other "developed countries" are sitting in the same sort of GDP per capita range of $65-$75k. Ranking these isn't so meaningful - the difference between the UK and France is only 1.5%.

            • somenameforme 2 hours ago

              Maybe! Our modern economic system are essentially driven by endless debt, and that only began in 1971 after the end of Bretton Woods. Even Germany has recently hopped on the debt train. Personally I not only don't think it's sustainable, and if not then it may well end up being one of the shortest lived economic experiments ever.

              Something to keep in mind is that in the 70s digital tech also started to come into its own and that basically provided a massive economic boon to countries worldwide, but especially in the US. And so the concept of endless infinite exponential growth, as the current experiment effectively requires, was coincidentally paired alongside an era that made that briefly seem possible.

              But now that that era is fading, the consequences of our actions are catching up to us. For instance in the US interest on the debt is now about 3% of the GDP, and the debt itself about 120% of GDP. And as faith in the debt falters, that will increase exponentially because rates for borrowing (which is how the government 'prints' money) will increase, due to reduced demand paired with increases in supply for such.

              --

              Basically instead of looking at GDP or whatever, I'd look to things on life contentment, optimism, and so on. If those are positive, then I think a government must be doing something right. If those are negative, then who cares what this metric or that says?

        • marysol5 7 hours ago

          Until it's destroyed by the people who destroyed the country last time.

          Seems they are hell-bent on getting rid of them

      • geysersam 10 hours ago

        Let's not be delusional. The UK is not a poor country, and 64K is low by US tech standards but it's good by any other measure.

        • kristianc 9 hours ago

          If the UK were a US state, its GDP per capita would rank it roughly on par with or just below Mississippi, making it the poorest state in the union.

          • aEJ04Izw5HYm 9 hours ago

            While true from a per capita equivalency and too close for comfort, the median net worth of an adult in the UK is roughly $150,000, while in Mississippi it's $15,000. Also, its public services are provided, which substantially affects the quality of life.

        • loeg 9 hours ago

          The UK is poor and sprinting as fast as it can towards being poorer.

          • leoedin 4 hours ago

            This is such a misuse of the word poor. Have you actually been to a poor country?

            The UK is poorer than the US - sure. But it's wealthier than most other countries in the world. Not just in terms of GDP per capita or average household wealth, but also in infrastructure terms - the cumulative effect of being a wealthy industrialised country for so long is a huge amount of infrastructure.

            I think it's fair to say that UK wealth growth has slowed at the same time as many other countries have caught up. So the UK is no longer the leader it once was. But that's very different from saying it's a poor country. It's just not.

          • geysersam 39 minutes ago

            By your definition 95% of the world population live in 'poor' countries. I guess if that's how you want to use the word that's up to you, but people outside of your bubble will literally not understand what you are saying.

        • bpodgursky 10 hours ago

          It's not a "good" wage in the US. It's exactly median.

          Which is fine, someone has to be median, but really underwhelming for the (presumably highly-educated and talented) head of the #1 national historical monument.

          • mrwh 10 hours ago

            It's £64K, not $64K (which is indeed about the median in the US). So, not bad.

            • bpodgursky 9 hours ago

              Ah I misread that, but $86k is still not good for a highly educated professional.

              • marysol5 7 hours ago

                Highly educated?

                It's a leadership role, there's no education requirements on it.

              • oaiey 9 hours ago

                It is good for a professional with specialization in history.

                • hdgvhicv 8 hours ago

                  Superintendent of Mount Rushmore is paid $125–160k

    • enraged_camel 10 hours ago

      Yeah, but 25 days holiday plus bank holidays means you're working like half the year at most. ;)

      • dylan604 10 hours ago

        And don't you knock of at lunch on Fridays anyways? So that's like a 4 day work week, because let's face it, you're not really doing anything on the day you're knocking off early anyways. See you at the pub!

        • marysol5 7 hours ago

          Read-Only-Fridays, and having a pub lunch so you're not doing much all afternoon anyway!

green_wheel 10 hours ago

What's your role?

I'm a CSO.

Oh nice, Strategy or Security?

Stonehenge.

  • quuxplusone 10 hours ago

    "Just to be clear, you are saying you manage a hedge fund, right?"

    "Yeah, a henge fund."

    "Hedge fund."

    "Henge fund."

    "Hedge."

    "Henge."

    "...I think we're on the same page."

  • bfeist 10 hours ago

    Heard of it?

smashah 10 hours ago

Stonehenge would be a great AI Lab name!