Isn't the benefit from LLM that anyone can create that little software that does scratch the particular needs the user has. Once scratched it's done its job. Rinse and repeat the next time. There is no longer the need to clean and maintain code for the next time. A bit like fast fashion! We are doomed.
Heck, most projects I've ever worked on professionally, with budgets in the millions, have been abandoned far earlier than any of the initial sponsors hoped.
Well if AI can accelerate the slopware -> abandonware lifecycle then maybe net gain? We can move on more quickly after setting fire to a zillion tokens.
Ideally the single-use slop should just go straight into the self-satisfied user's system and never appear in the public "release" arena.
But we have to suffer through this awkward phase where people want to have it both ways. They don't want to run a successful collaborative development project, but the want the imagined accolades.
It's hard to really comprehend. It's a bit like people wanting to have fame as musicians for successfully pressing the buttons on a jukebox?
I agree. This is nothing new. And I would even state, that this applies to every sort of idea. Not only coding projects. AI makes an idea life cycle only a bit faster in some cases.
i agree with your point: "we" always wrote code and abandoned it
the claim here is made against flatpak submissions, which involve pr reviews
i think a point being missed is that open source has always written code that was going to be reused by corps, but PRs in it were likely to help humans join open source, and develop coding skills
I worked on Half-Life mods with friends I met in IRC in the late 90's - so about 13 onwards. We "released" stuff to forums all the time, though very few updates ever got released.
Less interesting stuff like basic save game editors too.
Stop publishing them! Vibe coded projects are totally fine for your own consumption. But if you're not going to do the real hard work - build a community, fix bugs and add flexibility for all types of users - just keep it to yourself. Your slop project has no value to anybody.
Isn't the benefit from LLM that anyone can create that little software that does scratch the particular needs the user has. Once scratched it's done its job. Rinse and repeat the next time. There is no longer the need to clean and maintain code for the next time. A bit like fast fashion! We are doomed.
Where’s the baseline? Most projects I’ve ever started since I was a teenager have been abandoned within months of release.
Heck, most projects I've ever worked on professionally, with budgets in the millions, have been abandoned far earlier than any of the initial sponsors hoped.
Well if AI can accelerate the slopware -> abandonware lifecycle then maybe net gain? We can move on more quickly after setting fire to a zillion tokens.
Ideally the single-use slop should just go straight into the self-satisfied user's system and never appear in the public "release" arena.
But we have to suffer through this awkward phase where people want to have it both ways. They don't want to run a successful collaborative development project, but the want the imagined accolades.
It's hard to really comprehend. It's a bit like people wanting to have fame as musicians for successfully pressing the buttons on a jukebox?
I mean, there are some pretty famous DJs out there
Where all the bits we slang in 2009 and MacBooks we breezed through in the 2010s?
Yeah, same place the tokens and MacBooks today end up
This shits a boulevard of broken dreams in a lot of ways
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I agree. This is nothing new. And I would even state, that this applies to every sort of idea. Not only coding projects. AI makes an idea life cycle only a bit faster in some cases.
Every programmer does this. Absolutely every last one of us.
What is apparently noteworthy now is that anyone can now have the ability to build and abandon a project just like Real Programmers do
separate topic, separate comment
i agree with your point: "we" always wrote code and abandoned it
the claim here is made against flatpak submissions, which involve pr reviews
i think a point being missed is that open source has always written code that was going to be reused by corps, but PRs in it were likely to help humans join open source, and develop coding skills
now they likely just provide RLFH to corps
You were releasing projects teenage years? How many did you release?
I worked on Half-Life mods with friends I met in IRC in the late 90's - so about 13 onwards. We "released" stuff to forums all the time, though very few updates ever got released.
Less interesting stuff like basic save game editors too.
let's be clear
op doesn't provide code, so my effort stays at throwing in a claude session and providing code without ANY review
trust my numbers as much as you usually trust claude code
trust the original numbers as you usually trust no code
yes unfortunately there is no baseline
once you get past the article reporting, original study lives at https://geopjr.dev/blog/democratizing-abandonware
author provides no repo/code, but describes methodology
i run a 95% autonomous claude code session to re-run the experiment
after all, since he pulls pr/repo data for ai slop, I can just pull all data (not just ai slop) in the same time period and compare
https://github.com/rufasterisco/slopware
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"ai slop prs/repos" starting numbers mostly match (120 to 199)
i only tested prs from github repos, bringing it down from 119 to 116
still, based on those numbers, looks like we are off by a neat 25%
could be different methodology or claude making mistakes
author mentions doing some manual cleanup
│ │ Original │ Ours │
│ Unique repos │ 120 │ 116 │
│ Maintained │ 32 (27%) │ 58 (50%) │
│ Abandoned │ 88 (73%) │ 58 (50%) │
2 given the above, this is what comparison to "baseline" looks like
as said, "baseline" here means PRs in the same period
│ │ AI Slop │ Baseline │
│ GitHub repos │ 116 │ 332 │
│ deleted / 404 │ 11.2% │ 4.8% │
│ ≥3mo stale (surviving)│ 43.7% │ 39.2% │
│ abandoned (total) │ 50.0% │ 42.2% │ │ alive │ 50.0% │ 57.8% │
post "github fetch" data lives in repo
if you want to run from zero, the repo has the scripts
it will download 600+ MB from github
Stop publishing them! Vibe coded projects are totally fine for your own consumption. But if you're not going to do the real hard work - build a community, fix bugs and add flexibility for all types of users - just keep it to yourself. Your slop project has no value to anybody.
Wait till you hear about about CMS migrations I did before AI existed.