freedomben 10 minutes ago

I worked on the control systems for Predators and Reapers back in the mid and late 00s, and the inefficiencies around process were enormous. Safety is extremely important, so you expect some slowness as a result, but it got pretty extreme. I remember one time having to do 6 weeks of testing around a one-line code change because a "helpful" dev fixed a small bug that had no practical impact. Yet because it changed the release build hash, we had to go through a full acceptance test. As you can imagine that incentivized only fixing important bugs, and even those we had to consider whether it was worth it or not. As a result there were a hole pile of bugs that we (and customers) ended up just living with.

On a separate note, I'm curious as to whether AI is making an inroads in that space. I would imagine very minimal, if at all, but very curious.

  • hvb2 3 minutes ago

    Why would those fixes not be batched up? So fix 20% of those and do one round of testing?

exabrial 7 minutes ago

The defense industry has spent the last 40+ years grooming the DoD into thinking it costs $30mil/unit to produce missiles and drones. They should have rejected any of the bids, but being fueled by massively excessive taxes in the USA, they don't have to answer to any sort of efficiency or profitability.

These things should cost less than a Toyota Camry.

  • ryandvm a few seconds ago

    The purpose of a system is what it does.

    It costs $30M/unit because our trillion dollar defense budget is mostly just a jobs program (25%) and wealth transfer apparatus (75%). Killing people is just a side effect.

  • hvb2 a few seconds ago

    > but being fueled by massively excessive taxes in the USA

    Not excessive taxes, a political choice to spend a lot of the revenue on defense.

    And anyone who wants to reduce military spending will get asked:

    "Don't you support our troops?"

    And that'll be the end of that

  • piva00 a minute ago

    > but being fueled by massively excessive taxes in the USA

    I think it's even worse, it's funded a lot more by debt than excessive taxes, taxation in the USA is not even that excessive (to its own detriment since the budget is never balanced).

ck2 4 minutes ago

there's a better way for 100% savings

just completely exit like Afghanistan

and remember all this military hardware eventually ends up in the hands of police departments domestically, next decade is going to be wild

$21 TRILLION spent on militarization 2001-2021

* https://ips-dc.org/report-state-of-insecurity-cost-militariz...

imagine how much by 2031, at least double

ps. they are still executing fishermen without trial off Venezuela at a million dollars a pop