weinzierl an hour ago

There used to be a time when not only the OS required using partitions for optimum performace (swapfiles) but also applications.

In the late 90s databases were regularly set up in a way to store their data on raw partitions. There were other types of applications too that required partitions but for databases it was really common.

The practice really only died with OSes allowing apps to bypass the normal filesystem cache.

In Linux this is O_DIRECT and interestingly Linux was super late to the party because Linus hated it with a passion. Now, he was far from the only one, at least Alan Cox and Andrew Morton were skeptical, others as well. Linus was unusually extreme about it and that particular discussion is probably the single source of the majority of quotes people use against him.

ducktective 31 minutes ago

Tangential, but does anyone know why in 2026 and on Debian 13, my machine still hangs when some process exhausts RAM?

Is there really no higher-priority kernel process to prevent total freeze of the system and send a SIGKILL to the culprit process when such a scenario happens?

  • dev_hugepages 27 minutes ago

    This is called an oomkiller. The kernel has one but it kicks in very late and the kernel prefers to do page trashing instead of killing processes.

    systemd-oomd should be integrated in systemd, you can configure it to your liking and see if it improves your problem.

  • negrel 25 minutes ago

    OS are designed to fully exploit available resources, Linux tries its best before triggering an OOM kill.

    I recommend using the earlyoom if you want more aggresive oom kill:

    https://github.com/rfjakob/earlyoom

    The README contains a lot of interesting information.

  • CoastalCoder 9 minutes ago

    Just mentioning this in case it's helpful:

    If you know ahead of time which programs / processes are at risk of unacceptably high memory usage, check out "ulimit".

  • elektrontamer 29 minutes ago

    I always install earlyoom for that reason

cfstras 30 minutes ago

swap files make setting up hibernation a bit more complicated - in most cases the file has to be contiguous, e.g. you have to defragment it once after allocating. Then, you need to tell the bootloader the byte offset of the file on the partition.

Kim_Bruning an hour ago

Every rule has an exception. Beware of this advice on zfs, for instance.

Meanwhile zswap (of no relation with zfs) is free performance. Is it a rule that everything starting with a 'z' must be cool?

dwedge 2 hours ago

Interestingly I always use swapfiles and this page made me realise there can be a performance impact if the filesystem is old - the lkml link says as long as the swap file isn't fragmented there's no impact

  • WalterGR 2 hours ago

    In practice, there’s a potentially tremendous impact if you’re using a spinning metal disk. Sectors at the beginning of the disk (which is at the outer edge) are read/written way faster than sectors at the end. File systems tend to prefer writing files at the beginning. If the file system has been used for ‘a long time’ then it’s either fragmented - or it’s been defragmented and the free space is at the slow end of the drive.

    One nice thing about swap partitions is that they can be fixed in place even before OS installation.

    (Of course, if you’re using swap enough for this to be a huge factor, you probably have bigger problems. But I haven’t done the math.)

    • gblargg an hour ago

      Indeed. I'd always put swap near the beginning, then a small root partition, then the rest. This reduced head movement for often-accessed data, and used the higher bandwidth of the outer tracks.

mdspan 2 days ago

Swap files are also much easier to set up than partitions if you're using full disk encryption.

  • demomode 2 hours ago

    Swap files are very fragile if you are using hibernation. For FDE I prefer LVM-over-LUKS and a dedicate partition

    • pasc1878 an hour ago

      MacOS seems to have no problem with hibernating and it and its predecessor NeXT have been using swap files for over 30 years.

      • killerstorm 16 minutes ago

        MacOS has no problem with hibernation because hardware and software are designed together: it uses TPM to manage swap encryption. I assume "BIOS" is also optimized to enable fast boot on sleep.

        Linux can work with TPM but it's never as smooth. (Unless I guess you make it custom for your specific setup.)

charcircuit 2 hours ago

Linux distros that do use swap files do so statically. It doesn't handle dynamically growing and shrinking it like other operating systems.

  • 0xbadcafebee 2 hours ago

    Unless you use the Linux package that does manage swap files dynamically.