armcat 6 hours ago

There has been extensive research into token-free LLMs, but for some reason we are still operating in a token domain, so there is something to that.

Byte Latent Transformers (BLT): https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.09871

Charformer: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.12672

  • razodactyl 3 hours ago

    It's because of "chunking" which human minds do as well. If you increase granularity, you increase permutations and required compute to match the same performance of existing systems.

    GPT4's tokeniser for example made use of extended tokens for coding structures and with enough training on code was quite ahead of the rest for a while.

    The tokeniser and its vocabulary makes a big difference.

    • andai 2 hours ago

      Isn't iterative chunking the whole point of the transformer though? Or does it add that much overhead to do it at the byte level?

  • gchamonlive 4 hours ago

    Aren't diffusion models token-free?

    • armcat 4 hours ago

      No, they still operate on tokens, it's just the difference in how text is sampled. It's done through iterative denoising and in parallel, across multiple token positions.

puttycat an hour ago

I don't understand how this is different from BPE tokenization.

mrkn1 6 hours ago

subword tokenizers were never causal in the first place, so BPE was peeking at future bytes all along! TIL

serioussecurity 11 hours ago

Wow nature got rolled. Should have stayed closer to their expertise. They were already being hustled by a lot of the applied AI work they were accepting.

  • phildenhoff 11 hours ago

    What’s bad about this paper?

    • serioussecurity 11 hours ago

      Obvious work that is behind state of the art. Not field defining. A reasonable paper to publish at NeurIPS or ICML but very middle of the pack.

      If your paper is accepted to Nature it should be among the top results in your field for the year. This is just fine.

      Edit to clarify: Nature has not been, historically, a venue for pure machine learning papers. It's been a venue for field changing work in the physical sciences. They already have a Machine Intelligence subjournal.

      What this paper shows me is how desperate they are for ML papers, and how poorly their staff understand the field.

      • bobmarleybiceps 8 hours ago

        I think nature sort of has a reputation for sensationalism / probably overhyped (or outright wrong) stuff in the sciences now anyway... would not surprise me at all that they're desperate for ml stuff :-I

        • tel 7 hours ago

          A professor two decades ago, one with dozens of Nature pubs, told me that Nature was all about having a pretty picture.

JonChesterfield 5 hours ago

Weird paper. Models have had tokens for each byte for ages now. They can read and write individual bytes just fine, in addition to also having multibyte tokens.

  • Philpax 4 hours ago

    The point is not to have byte tokens: it's to have only byte tokens, so that the usual failures of tokenisation (e.g. the number of Rs in strawberry) can be avoided.

    • brookst 37 minutes ago

      Would byte tokens really solve how many r’s? It seems like it would require a level of introspective awareness of the tokens being processed that I don’t think transformers have. But I’m not expert enough to go beyond that intuition, so could easily be wrong.

  • andai 2 hours ago

    How can an LLM read individual bytes if all it gets is the tokenized ones? Or does it just get the ones that we didn't know how to tokenize?

    • mpyne an hour ago

          0 -> token_THE
          1 -> token_PART_prefix
          2 -> token_FULLSTOP
          ...
          0x3100 -> token_BYTE_00
          0x3101 -> token_BYTE_01
          0x3102 -> token_BYTE_02
      
      and so on

      The tokenizer would have to know to switch over to lexing as individual bytes rather than whatever else it might have been able to tokenize into but that seems like a question of labeling more than anything else.